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Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....

So today I finally took the first test on the path to getting my MCTS Cert.  This was the 70-536 test which is the first test in their new series for .net developers.  Yea, I passed the first one, that SUCKED.

I, along with the others on my team have been studying for this test for the past 2+ months.  Today was the day we find out if it was in vein.  In order to 'pass' the test you need to score a 700 out of a 1000.  There are a total of 45 questions on the test.  It sounds like it should be 'ok' to get a 70% on test right, I mean you only have to get 32 out of the 45 questions right to pass.  WRONG.  Each question is individually weighted.  So, one person could be able to miss 10 questions and another could miss 8.  Also, some questions are multi-part so you get partial credit (which is really, really cool). 

The test was much harder and more stressful then I (and the others in my group) had expected.  It became very evident to me that not only did you need to pretty much memorize the book, but you also need to be able to pull reference points from your coding experience in order to pass.  There were many questions (about half or so) where I did not know the answer outright.  I was only able to answer the questions with any degree of confidence because you can throw out at least one or two answers if you read the book.  Then you can use your experience to figure out the right answer.

  • How I studied
    I studied for this test mostly by doing 2 things.
    1) Reading the book cover to cover.
    2) Taking the practice tests over and over till I about memorized the answers. 

    After reading the book the first time and taking the tests, I would then go re-read sections of the book that I did not fair so well on during the practice test.  I really think this is the best way to study.

  • How I took the test
    My goal for the test was to iterate over the questions over and over again until I finished. 

    How did I plan to do this:  Well, I was to skip any question where I did not immediately know the answer.  When I would do this, I would NOT mark any answers so to not 'lead' me down the wrong direction when I went back.

    Next if I was not sure on the actual answer I would mark it for review.  Afterwards I went back to each of these and re-read the question to make sure I had answered it correctly.

    By the end of the test I had iterated over some of the questions 3+ times before I would answer them.  I believe this allowed me to answer more questions with a high degree of confidence as well as allow me to not get stressed out if I did not immediately know the answer.

  • Overall rating/thoughts on the actual test
    Like I said above, it was much hard then I thought it would be.  We used both the measure up and ascender practice tests, and they were both easier then the actual test.  The test itself was ok, the software is a little slow, but for the most part it was ok.  You do get to choose your language of preference (C#, VB or C++) so that was nice.

    I was disappointed because there were areas/topics in the book that were not on MY test.  I guess i am only disappointed because they happened to be topics i was stronger in :(.

  • One final rant about the book/study materials
    What really pissed me off (along with my co-workers) is the amount of errors both in the book and the practice tests.  The book has so many typo's and errors the there is 2 (yea TWO) Knowledgeable articles for the errata.  About 15% of the practice test questions (out of 300+) were just WRONG.  Either the answers were not correct, or there were no correct answers.

Now on to the next one.... The 70-526 test for Windows-Based client development.

Till next time,


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Ciz wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-02-2007 10:35 PM

I can share your frustrations.  I did this exam last year and using the same MS Training Kit book.  It had several mistakes and didn't really cover the syllabus well enough.  I thought the MesureUp practice exams were very good though.

Jeremy wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-03-2007 10:37 AM

I complete agree, I took that same test about a year ago and although I passed it I've never taken another test in the series.  I felt like the book was barely even on par with the content on the test and that the difficulty level was in no way the same.

But honestly the big reason that I never took another test was because of the errors in the book.  I really hate to say this, but I really can't help feeling that if Microsoft doesn't care enough about these certs to even proofread the study materials then why should I care enough to spend the money to buy books and take the tests.   If it doesn't matter to them, then it certainly doesn't matter to me.

Derik Whittaker wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-04-2007 9:13 AM

@Jeremy,

Although i understand your feelings about the errors in the book.  I know that I am going to keep taking the certs in spite of the fact the books suck.  

One of the main reasons for me is because my current employer is pushing all the developers to take and pass at least the first 2 tests.  

In the age of 16 & 17 year olds writing code I feel that we need to do something to set ourselves apart from the crowd.  Certs may not be the ideal way of doing this, but they are one of the ways.

My 2Cents

FrankC wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-04-2007 2:52 PM

First of all, congrats on doing well on the test. I can tell you worked hard on it and, in spite of what I say below, it's quite an achievement. But...

I just don't get these certification tests beyond the warm fuzzy some HR department or Lumbergh-ish boss might get from seeing you've had your ticket punched. In my experience, such certifications earned by rote memorization of practice material to score well on a test or two mean nothing compared to actual experience when it comes to evaluating how well someone will do in a job.

I also can't believe that your employer is encouraging people to take those tests. I suppose they're paying for them as well? I guess that the programmers in your group can give them quite a surprise when they use their nice shiny new certification to obtain a higher paying position with another employer who's impressed by a piece of paper.

Eric Smith wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-28-2007 8:59 AM

There's plenty to rant about.  I did some ranting myself at certicastration.blogspot.com.  

Rafael Alberti wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-28-2007 3:07 PM

Well to let you know you were the lucky ones.  Co-workers of mine also passed using the 070-536 book.  One co-work passed and he barely studyed.  If you took the exam from a Pearson Vue site before Sept 1, 2007 - consider yourself lucky.  After Sept 1,  Pearson Vue cancelled all Microsoft exams.  We called a test site and asked why they were cancelled - because the Exam was too easy.  To many people where passing the exam.  I then took the exam from Prometric and found the exam to be extremely difficult - failing by a few points.  I studied and read the book 3 times,  I reviewed and consistently passed the CD exam.  I was also registered for Measure Up  practice exams and passed those set of exams consistently with 90%.  I then took the Prometric exam thinking I was ready and failed.  Now I am spending close to $200 to study the Prometric study exam thru Transcender.   These sets of question closely matched Prometric exams.. lets see how it goes.  5 months into this already.    Microsoft is sure making money off of me

erick wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 10-30-2007 1:27 PM

please tell me how can I take the practice tests ?

Derik Whittaker wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 10-30-2007 2:08 PM

@Erick,

The practice tests are found on the CD.  Do you have the CD?

Rafael Alberti wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-08-2007 2:53 PM

Second time on examination, I passed with a 93.  I wonder why?

Marc Durrin wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-15-2007 11:06 AM

This was my response to the Microsoft 70-536 exam survey:

The test was much harder and more stressful then I had expected.

Exam questions were NOT ANYTHING LIKE THE SAMPLE TEST QUESTIONS OR EXERCISES in the Microsoft certification book or on the CD that came with it.  

Questions were TOO LONG, DETAILED, AND COMPLICATED compared to the sample tests.

There was content on the exam NOT COVERED in the book.  

There was too many questions on globalization and none on some other areas like graphics and generics.

There was content and questions in the book that was just plain wrong.

The amount of material specified for the exam needs to be shorted or the exam split into 2 exams - just like the E-Learning courses (Collection 2956 will now be offered as two Collections)

Don't get me wrong - the exam NEEDS TO BE DIFFICULT so that certification has importance and the questions would probably be reasonable if the certification book and sample tests adequately prepared you for it.

One more thing - the monitor I used in the exam had a lot of flicker (refresh rate needed to be higher) and was set too high up and my unadjustable chair was too low to be comfortable (Star Training (Prometric) in Tulsa, OK).  Fortunately, I found and an adjustable chair and then it was ok after that except for the flicker.  I didn't want to loose time asking for another one.

Catto wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-17-2007 7:38 PM

Hey Now Derek,

Nice Post very informative.

Thx 4 the info,

Catto

Nugget wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-20-2007 5:03 PM

Hi,

I'm studying right now for the 70-536 and I'd like to know whether the questions from the practice tests are the same (or similar) as the ones from the examination.

Thanks

Derik Whittaker wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-20-2007 5:55 PM

@Nugget,

There were actually a few questions on the actual test that were word-for-word out of the practice tests.  The actual test questions are similar to the practice ones as a rule of thumb.

Unlike the practice tests, you could get particle credit on the multiple part questions.

Hope this helps

Nugget wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-21-2007 2:21 PM

Thanks for the info.

JeremyR wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-29-2007 1:06 PM

@Marc

It's like you took the thoughts right out of my head! I experienced 95% of what you did.

I got a 625 out of 700 with 4 weeks of on/off studying using C# for the first time. I thought the book was a bit lacking in areas (other than the typo's) where it should have been a bit more detailed.

I did notice about 65% of the questions where about reflection , globalization, and interop.  

Luis wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-05-2007 8:15 AM

I am taking the exam this friday, and i am wondering if all the questions will be multiple-choice, or there will also be case scenarios ou code writing questions.

Thanks!

Derik Whittaker wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-05-2007 8:19 AM

@Luis,

They were all multiple choice.

Rafael Alberti wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-29-2007 2:57 PM

Well working on the next set 070-528.  Those who have failed 070-536 couple of suggestions.  Go to another test site, you may find the exam easier.  Not all exams are the same for all test site.  Spend the 60.00 and purchase TestKing or Transcender or use Measureup examination

Rafael Alberti wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-08-2008 5:45 PM

Well I Passed the 070-528 after 4 months of studies.  I can now say I have MCTS C#.NET certification.  All in ALL it took 10 months of straight studies.   Those who pass with 1 month of studies, I envy you.

I have gone through a few interviews already and mentioned my certification and the response I get is a Blank stare of Who cares.     Its what I always say experience counts more.  Certification is a nice to have.

Well after 10 months of weekend, vacation days, nights and so forth I can say it was worth it.   Though I don't think I will take another certification exam again.  What counts more is experience.

What is even more special is that Microsoft has 2008 out on Beta and those who are breaking their brains for the 2005 certification are basically obsolete...  Chew on that for  a while...

Its never ending and its a money making scheme for Microsoft.....

Josué wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-13-2008 7:32 PM

What book is the one you mention for the exam preparation?

Derik Whittaker wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-13-2008 7:45 PM

@Jose

.Net Application Development Training Kit

Mark wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-21-2008 3:57 PM

I just took the test and did fairly well on it. I agree that the test has to be difficult or else the certification process would be meaningless. However, I did find that this test did have a lot of trivia to it, not a lot of real "thinking" had to be done, just recall of facts.

The way that I explained it to a coworker is that the prep book is 700 pages long, and any one of those pages could be used as the basis for a question on the exam. That's tough. Photographic memories help in situations like these.

Advice for those about to take it: reason through the questions. A lot of the answers can be eliminated on the basis that they wouldn't compile, or that they contain obvious logic errors. So, even if you don't know the answer, eliminate as many answers as you can by reasoning through them and then guess based of the remaining ones.

Re: why would an employer encourage coders to take the test? Cheaper licenses. Having 2 MCPs on board is beneficial to their wallets.

sailaja wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-26-2008 5:36 AM

Hi

I am preparing for 70-528. Is it compulsory to clear 70-536 before going for 70-528 ????

please help me

Thank you

Raj Peringoth wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-02-2008 7:12 PM

Thanks a lot for the info!!!!

ephobe wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-20-2008 5:08 PM

IYHO do you think it's worth it for a professional to go obtain this certification?

I've been in the field for about 3 years now doing classic ASP. I just started working with .net 2.0 Framework.

Real benefits of cert?

Aniket Bhatt wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-26-2008 7:07 AM

it's a nice experience to learn about the preparation for the exam of MCTS it needs a lot of hard work as well as good practical knowledge also.........

sam wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-04-2008 2:30 PM

After reading thousdands of horrible reviews regarding the Microsot book, I was trying to get the book by Amit Kalani:

MCTS 70-536 Exam Prep: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 Foundation Exam (Exam Cram 2) (Hardcover)

by Amit Kalani

www.amazon.com/.../ref=sr_1_8

Unfortunately after contacting QUE publishing, they informed me they have canceled the book!!!

Any other book other than the Microsoft one?

smitty wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-05-2008 8:16 AM

thanks for the insight.  

i have just completed the review of the book and am now studying for the exam testing.  My book's test-practice cd does not install on my vista pc (go figure) but i am using measure-up exam prep.

1) do you think that it is sufficient for the exam prep?

2) also, how long did you have to take the offical exam? I find some questions on the prep takes me a few minutes of reasoning before i can complete.

newbie wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-05-2008 2:33 PM

hi aLL.. i'm an IT fresh grad and I have develop a simple application using VB.NET, and my future employer require me to pass MCTS 70-536 exam.

I took a look at the material and I was shocked! lol. I barely knew anything about it and I only have less than a month to do the exam..

what do you think guys? is it doable? lol. is it going to be a problem that i'm a fresh grad, with very lil experience to .NET programming? do you have any tips or good references to pass the test?

thanks a lot.

passerBy wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-07-2008 4:24 PM

I've been developing in different technologies for years and recently took the 70-536 test (yes the book had some problems, I wish they would have republished it). I found that though there was a lot of rote memorization required, I also learned aspects of .NET that I was not familiar with.

I feel like I'm a more knowledgable programmer now and, though it can't be the only thing that sets someone apart from their peers, future employers will give me some credit for having studied for and passed the exams.

Notice that I say "exams". I don't think that 70-536 by itself is that significant. We should all be striving to complete the program and to become MCPDs.

Can U Frikin CHEAT!? wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-14-2008 3:56 PM

Is there a way to cheat for this exam!? Cause reading through all this i am not so positive...

roffle wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-18-2008 8:03 PM

i was pleasantly surprised to see that demonoid had books and cd's available for the 70-536 exam

Matt wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-18-2008 11:18 PM

I'm prepping to take 70-536. Very good to know I need to stress reflection / globalization / interop. I found en.csharp-online.net/Preparation_Guide_for_Exam_70-536 which seems to be a decent study guide (in addition to reading the MSPress book cover to cover).

I recommend doing the labs or just opening up Visual Studio and mucking around on the areas you have the most trouble with.

It's also good to know that 70-536 will remain the starting point for the new .NET 3.5 certs.

vishal wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-26-2008 2:58 AM

hi

1st upon congrats to u all gr8 buddies............... i have 1 yr experience in .net framework 2.0..................i have to get 70-536..............which books i preffered???....... and how can i study on it and being succeed like u...... plzzzz frnds, just guide me...........

thanx

Phil wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 05-05-2008 3:24 AM

I am also currently studying for the 70-536 test. I did the 70-528 test first and have changed my study habits for this test.

This time round, I'm studying in order of the objectives instead of the chapter, and I'm basically reading about each topic and related classes in the MSDN documentation (which is more complete, fewer errors, and more examples). Then I skim over the book chapters to make sure I haven't missed anything and do the practice tests for that objective.

Doing it this, I do feel more prepared than when I went into the 70-528 test - it remains to be seen if I actually do pass it though!

phaneesh gururaj wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 05-05-2008 2:42 PM

Hey all,

I just got this one cracked today after a month's preparation. I followed what Derik's advice while preparing for the exam (taking practice tests, reading the book  end to end)..Likewise, I found this a bit tough as many questions lead you to make a wrong choice very easily as they are very close w.r.t answers. I had 40 questions and 700 was the passing criteria.

The coding experience I had really helped me to answer at least a dozen questions. I suggest you (who are taking up this exam) give more importance to topics like configuration of assembly, cultureInfo, security as these topics are used relatively less during application development in a day-to-day basis at any organization (atleast in my case). Got some confidence after clearing this - now back to grind to take up the 52 and 528.

All the best for !!

Daniel H wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 05-19-2008 10:48 AM

I'm about to take the 536 later on today and I ran across this looking for any tips that might help for last minute studying. I will definitely look over interop and globalization a little more.

Just to add on to the cert discussion, I'm not getting certs to be certified. I'm about a year out of school now and have web dev experience, but I wanted experience with .Net as a whole. The cert training is just to help me get some experience. Although it is nice to be able to hang something up on your wall when your finished.

Already passed 431 and I can't wait to get this one knocked out.

Mirco wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 07-04-2008 3:32 PM

Hi,

I passed the 70-538 on monday and it took me six months of studying in my freetime. my profession has not much relation to programming or .net. It was really tough, but I succeeded.

Now I have the chance to move on to web or windows client development for an MCPD grade, but I wonder which one to take.

I must say, that I am a bit trained in PHP, programming websites in this language.

So which path would you advice me to choose?

kavish wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 07-16-2008 3:29 PM

Hi ,

This blog is super cool.

I read that the Microsoft Self Training kit  is not too good, (typos, wrong answers etc..)

Any websites you know where a better e-book can be obtained Freely for preparing for the 70-536?

I will be doing the exam in 2 months.

Cheerz & keep up the info sharing..

Nick Masao wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 07-29-2008 9:23 AM

I took the 70-536 exam this month and passed on first attempt.

This is how I studied.

1.Read the prep kit cover to cover, did the practice tests many many times till I was missing just 1 or 2 questions.

2.Read the book, Programming VB 2005, The Language by Francesco Balena,. This book was also helpful,most of the topics are in the exam.

3.You need to be a developer to pass this exam.You need to know the stuff. You will answer some questions based on programming experience.I also advise to do all the labs, and suggested practices in the training kit.They will help a lot.

All the best.

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Rob wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 08-25-2008 2:23 AM

I just took the exam and I'm not smiling : ( got 669.  I have to agree with above, not just because I failed.  

1. I read the book cover to cover

2. completed all the review questions

3. went through many measure up tests

4. re-studied weak areas and

5. when I was passing around 90% I sat the exam.  

Well it wasn't enough because the exam was tougher than the practise tests, there was no similar questions to the practise tests/ review questions.  There are mistakes in the measure up test and review questions. Many review questions are ambiguous.

There is too much content for one exam, at least there is not enough questions.  When I did it there was only 40 questions and some of them are 'control' questions which are not included in the end score??? The exam missed whole chunks of study content. You might have 80% understanding knowledge, but if you are only tested on 50% which happens to overlap the 20% you don't know you are in trouble.

Salts wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 08-28-2008 8:52 AM

Blimey! I've got to sit this exam and my company is giving me 3 days of study leave!

uhm wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 08-28-2008 9:24 AM

c'mon guys, do not expect the certification will make you better developers

all certifications is a useless bullshit invented by marketing people used by markting people

I've passed the 70-536 with a score 1000/1000 last week

it has been as simple as learning this:

www.examcollection.com/.../Microsoft.TestKing.70-536.v2008-04-03.C%23.by.Guitong.86q.vce

70-536 wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-06-2008 3:09 AM

I passed this exam today with great score... Testking braindumps is the best www.microsoft-braindumps.net/70-536.htm

NMF wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-12-2008 11:45 AM

I am thinking about taking the 528 and then the 536 exams.  I am a fresh grad and I was thinking a cert wud look good on my CV.  Do you think i shud go ahead?

Passer wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-12-2008 7:44 PM

So what was your score?

Did I read that right wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-29-2008 11:59 PM

I'm about to start on all the MCPD/MCTS exams for .Net, quick question....

Is there a time limit to the exam ?

The reason I ask is I have a reading problem where words 'merge' together when reading in a linear fashion for a while, especially if I'm having to think about what I'm reading, and I have to look away to 'reset' (sometimes for a minute) which would obviously waste a bit of time.

Code is fine because your eyes are constanly following the code's logic.

alex440 wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 10-17-2008 8:53 PM

there's an ebook but you'll have to buy a hardcopy.

after i've tried i can say it's just masochism to use pdf and write everything out.

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does anybody khow is experience obligative, i mean must i present some proof?

Ash wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-08-2008 1:52 AM

Please help me, I have passed 3/4 months for this exam, and read cover to cover and retake all the practice test until I memorize all...after finishing up the book and see few demo question...now I can feel that the book is not enough to make me pass on this exam. Book didn't cover a lot of things. I have already taken date for this exam. So shall I buy Testking brain dump? I can't losse any more time reading this book...and I don't have enough money to retake this test. Please give me suggestion about what I will do...

Thanks for the help in Advance

Tom wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-09-2008 4:32 PM

Thanks for the info. I'm taking this exam in December and I'm struggling to drag myself through the text book!! Argh!

Ash wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-12-2008 1:12 PM

TO appear on exam do I need to answer VB question too? I am C# background person, and I took preparation on C#...so do I need to go over vb questions and examples too and face VB question on Exam?

Help.....

AD wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-15-2008 9:43 PM

@Ash - either C# OR Vb. you get a choice before the exam

Peter wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-24-2008 9:00 AM

I'm taking exam 70-536 later this week. Starting to get a little nervous about the amount of stuff covered in this exam. Anyone knows what to focus on, in other words which questions are weighed the most.

ccozad wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-25-2008 11:19 PM

I have been creating targeted code examples for topics on the test. (In addition to my day to day code tasks) I am planning on taking the exam soon.

I have posted my study effort here:

mctscertification.blogspot.com

Let me know if you have a content or presentation suggestions.

Natherton wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-01-2008 9:42 AM

I am writing next week , how long after I write do I know the results?

Peter wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-12-2008 11:49 AM

I passed today with a score of 700, so i'm feeling kinda lucky. I've been studying approximately 200 hours for this course, so it doesn't come easy. I used the toolkit and some e-learning

Natasja wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-19-2008 8:47 AM

Hi

Is there a discussion forum / online study group for any of the MCTS exams? I dont know anyone in RL that is also studying and really would like to have somewhere , where I can discuss the study material with someone.

CaMeL wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-24-2008 4:09 PM

Hi,

I am starting to learn that exam. I have some materials to learn, such as: TestKing sample exam, MCTS. NET Framework book. Is it enough materials to pass exam ? Despite of it I have some experience in .NET coding..

Thanks for reply!

Derik Whittaker wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-24-2008 4:12 PM

@Camel,

The more you can read the better

CaMeL wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-24-2008 4:24 PM

Hi,

Well, I am still reading books as soon as posible. I know that exam is not easy to pass and i am searching good materials but maybe you know better sources beside I wrote above ? more practical ?

I have some examples:

CLR via C-Sharp 2nd Edition

C# 2.0: The Complete Reference, Second Edition

Thanks for reply!

ANAGHA wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 12-25-2008 11:33 AM

hi all,

i am giving this exam (70-536) on 10 january. I need tips for the same.

By reading your above comments this is what i understooD.

1) EXAM IS OF 1000 MARKS

2) ANYTHING ABOVE 700 IS PASS

HOPE I GOT THIS RIGHT. PLS CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG

Bhumilka wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 01-04-2009 5:08 AM

Wat preparation time does this exam require?

I mean apprx....

Sree Harsha wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 01-18-2009 2:49 PM

Can anybody explain wat a toolkit is ? and also  what is that test

King?

thenakeddrummer wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 01-30-2009 8:33 AM

The test is self learning, so skipping over questions that you don't know the answer to doesn't necessarily work in your favour. My understanding is that if you answer a question incorrecly, or skip it then your next question will most likely be in the same topic area, as they root out the patches in your knowledge...

I'm preparing for this exam at the moment and it's pretty vast. You're expected to learn things by heart that intellisense in VS would just make available to you for free.

The book doesn't even nearly cover everything you need to know - which is exposed by answering (or rather failing to answer correctly) practice questions. Unless you're red hot on .NET 2.0+ and experienced most of its capabilities then it's at least 2 months worth of prep.

For questions I'm using MeasureUp and TestKing. It's worth the cost.

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luck wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-18-2009 6:46 AM

hello,

i need to take the exam and i saw that there are sites that sell q&a for this exam (testking). those existing in microsoft package are not enough?

Womble wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-27-2009 9:18 AM

Hello

I passed my 70-536, just.

To answer some of the concerns I had before taking the test.

A lot of the questions are similar to the ones on the selfpaced and the MS Official Course books. The free ones supplied by testking were monsters, possibly designed to scare you in to buying the product.

About 50% of the questions I had were intuitive, so as long as you know the basic methods and constructions of the major classes you can work it out through elimination.

I have been studying 3 hours a week for a the last 18 months and have upped it to about 25 hours a week the last 2 months (always had the books at hand to look at during commercials)

I used the official course books and the selfpaced book.

During the test I took my time on the test using every second bar 2 minutes of the 130 minutes allotted.

Someone asked about regex, I had no regex questions but I suppose it is luck. I just memorized *,+, and . and prayed 8-)

Pickedaname wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 02-28-2009 8:35 AM

I have the 2nd Edition of the MS Press kit and hopefully it has had the errors removed. I have not seen any coding errors yet that would not compile, although I have seen many grammatical errors. Big difference between 'C:\Windows folder' and 'C:\Windows\folder' haha. Which of the study guides is the most targeted, effective solution?

NeetsP wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-03-2009 10:55 AM

Why take this exam? Well, my company will up my salary slightly if I do, and pay for a visit to a fancy restaurant for me and the girlfriend   :-)

They do this because Microsoft will throw software at us worth approx. $50-70.000....

Those of you who are pushed to take it, maybe you should ask why ;-)

I have 2 weeks left of studing (will it be fancy restaurant or McD?)

Manna wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-03-2009 5:16 PM

Hey guys..Can somebody tell me if reading the MS self paced training kit would suffice for this preparation or do i need to refer any other book ?

Moreover can somebody suggest me any links that offer FREE TestKIng or MeasureUp questions?

Thanks,

VB5Windows wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-03-2009 7:21 PM

Manna,

No. The self study guide is not sufficient. You will need:

At least 1 year practical .Net experience

+

The MS Self Study Guide

+

Outside .Net resources to fill in the gaps

I have about 15 years of senior level experience, but when I started my cert process I was shocked at how much I didn't know. I first did the DVD study course, and boot camps, and the practice tests, and read the study guide where I was not clear on anything.

The PURPOSE of the certification process is to expose you to lots of new tools and ways of doing things. I probably knew 25% or less of what I needed to know. You just don't do all the things the cert exams cover in your daily job, some of the things I've never done at all.

Remember there are 3 klinds of knowledge, the things you know you know, the things you know you dont know, and the things you dont know that you dont know.

This process showed me tons of things about .Net that I didnt know that I didnt know. Now I have a hugely improved grasp now on .Net in it's entirety.

For the naysayers against certifications:  Talent is great, but someone who is talented and knowledgable is better. The certification will not make you a better developer, but the learning process to get certified will.

I was a great developer before, now, I'm even better.

VB6! wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-04-2009 5:04 PM

You forgot the 4th kind of knowledge - the things you don't know you know :)

Richel wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-18-2009 2:22 PM

Good news for MCTS students, you can download complete MCSE bundle pack from http://www.testkingdom.com.

MCTS : .NET Framework 2.0 Web Applications Certification

Bundle Pack Exams Included:

70–536 TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0–Application Development Foundation

70–528 TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 – Web-Based Client Development

529 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Distributed Application Development

528 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Web-based Client Development

431 TS: Microsoft® SQL Server™ 2005 - Implementation and Maintenance

536 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Application Development Foundation

526 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Windows®-based Client Development

all Microsoft exams training at http://www.testkingdom.com

Richel wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-18-2009 2:29 PM

Good news for MCTS students, you can download complete MCSE bundle pack from http://www.testkingdom.com.

MCTS : .NET Framework 2.0 Web Applications Certification

Bundle Pack Exams Included:

70–536 TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0–Application Development Foundation

70–528 TS: Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 – Web-Based Client Development

529 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Distributed Application Development

528 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Web-based Client Development

431 TS: Microsoft® SQL Server™ 2005 - Implementation and Maintenance

536 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Application Development Foundation

526 TS: Microsoft® .NET Framework 2.0 - Windows®-based Client Development

all Microsoft exams training at http://www.testkingdom.com

Few points short wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-19-2009 7:14 PM

I took the exam today and scored 639.  I studied the book front to back and did all the practice testing from the CD.  The exam had much more than what is in the book.  The part that really upsets me is that I have no way of knowing what answers I got right and what I got wrong.  There is a printout of the areas that you scored in but that doesn't do much good because it is so broad.  I do have a free retake voucher but I am worried about what to study now.

I did skip over questions that I did not know right off.  Does this really dictate what questions might come up next?  Maybe that is why the exam is so difficult for some.  

looks like its not a easy1 wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 03-27-2009 2:35 PM

I have been studying for last 1 month for 70-536,  and was planning to  give the test tomorrow, but well after reading this thread, I am thinking to postpond it and spend more time with training kit......after reaing this thread I can clearly see from the experince of the people who have given the test, that this is one difficult nut to crack.....

sami wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-01-2009 10:39 AM

I have been preparing for 70-536 for three months now spending at least 5 hours a week. I was planning to take the test sometime in April but felt to postphone it based on the advice of many people here.

I have 3 years of experience and was quite shocked that most of the topics in the book that i read weren't being used at my job. May be i am stuck on a develper Job that doesn't require me to know more about .net.  Anyways, my question is, At this time, is it best to take the exam that has been out for almost 3 years now? or work on the 3.5 version of the same exam? what is best. I am a little confused here

jcnv wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 04-01-2009 1:58 PM

Sami - I suggest you take the 536 already since that is also the foundation exam for the 3.5 framework.

Jen wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 05-18-2009 3:19 PM

Thanks for the post! I am a programmer who stopped writing code back in 2006 after 10 yrs in the field. After the company where I was working went out of business in 06, I went into more of the business side & have my PMP (Project Management Professional) certification.

I hate it. I hate the business side with all it's touchy feely nonsense. It sucks!

So, I am working on the MCPD cert now & am starting with 70-536. Back when I stopped writing code professionally, people were just making the transition toward .NET. Any advice on for an old programmer getting back into programming?

Mike wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 05-30-2009 12:01 AM

i m studying the 70-536 exam in these days and i got some study stuff on this link www.selfexamengine.com/microsoft-70-536.htm as i noticed this one is good

Michael D. Hall wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 06-22-2009 4:37 PM

@Derik, lol, found this post after googling for test info. I'm scheduled to take the test later on this week. Sounded like a fluff test, but guess it's a little more involved. Ah well, I'll find out soon enough.

@Jen did anyone get back to you on your question?

Scott wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 06-26-2009 4:15 PM

I just took the 70-536 today.  I failed witha 608.  The sections I did really bad on were Serialization, Interop, Reflection.  I was passing the measureup certification mode pre tests with 90%.  The real exam was very different.  I have the second shot voucher so hopefully next time.

Kiran wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 07-01-2009 12:08 AM

I am studying for this exam and I got some free exams  and study kits from this site.

www.free-ebooks-download.org

Hope this helps.

r wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 07-10-2009 1:40 AM

I took this exam today and was rattled.  I thought I had bombed terribly and was shocked when I found out I actually passed by 150+ points.  

There were questions on classes that I'd never even heard of, so I used process of elimination to get down to two possible choices and then tried to "think like Microsoft" to guess at which one of the plausible remaining options to go with.

About 20 questions in, I was thinking to myself.. "I'm gonna fail this attempt,  but how can I study for this exam?!  I read the primary text multiple times and followed up on all practice test gaps.   Do I have to memorize the entire MSDN documentation?!?!  Why the heck is it so important to memorize the overloads of so many different methods?!?!  Infernal IntelliSense has made me uncertifiable!"

I used the self-paced training kit, in addition to the MeasureUp prep I purchased separately online.   During prep,  I had covered all the questions available from both sources and was scoring > 90% on all practice tests (although you do tend to memorize the correct answer regardless of how the options are sorted).

I had been initially shocked by the practice tests too, in that they covered concepts & trivia not to be found ANYWHERE in the training kit primary text.   So going into the actual exam, I was also wary of what curveballs I'd be thrown.

My professional experience is primarily web applications, so a lot of the content within this exam is not part of my day-to-day concern.   This was a disadvantage to me going in, I feel.

koolcat wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 07-24-2009 1:39 PM

I just finished this exam today and managed to clear it. It was indeed a stressful experience. I used the ms book and measureup and put in approximately 200 hours of time after work.  I have about 7 years .net experience. I think my biggest mistake was that I didn't write code while preparing for the exam assuming, wrongly, my experience will carry me through. Everything made sense while reading the textbook. I think if I'd actually written code while practicing the objectives, the nuances of whether a method is static or instance, the different arguments to ctor's of methods etc., would have been clearer.

Anyway, all's well that ends well. Good luck to future exam takers.

jav wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 08-07-2009 9:12 AM

Hi,

I am a software engineer and i have been working as a developer for 4 years.  I have a software engineering degree.  I have experience in C++ and a bit of Java but would like to get into either VB or c#.Net roles.

I was thinking that if i got a .net certificate, coupled with my current experience,  it would help me get my foot in the door.

Anyone think this is a good idea?  Am i wasting my time?

mark wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 08-26-2009 11:46 PM

@jen, jav - i too have a similar condition. left coding back in 06. do you think certification will help to get a job?

DB wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-01-2009 4:30 AM

I am taking the exam towards the end of the year. The book isnt the best for actually explaining things! Also - where do you actually get told how long the exam is and how many q's there are?? I know there are 45 q's but nowhere tells me how long it is to take the exam... any clues?

HD wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-07-2009 8:09 AM

Hi,

I have been studying for this exam but the material i used was .net framework 2.0. Now that framework 3.5 is released, will i be able to do the exam with framework 2.0 knowledge??  can anyone help??

Thanks.

jav wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-16-2009 4:52 PM

hi Mark,

i think it might and collegues i've spoken to also think so.  im hoping that the qualification combined with my experience will help get into .Net jobs even though i dont have any specific .Net experience.

Pharma969 wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 09-18-2009 3:48 PM

Very nice site!

Rishikesh wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 10-12-2009 1:35 PM

Hi,

I am planning to take 70-536. I have been studying Microsoft Self-Paced Training Kid for one month. Now, I am thinking to buy a practice test kid from Measureup or Self Test Software (Kaplan). Can anyone please tell me which one is more useful? What else is required to get a better grip?

knight wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 10-20-2009 11:55 AM

^^

dont use measureup ..

yoyo wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 10-22-2009 10:32 PM

Did anyone cry after failing the test?

P A Syed Ameen Abbasi wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-07-2009 4:39 AM

Hi!

I am planning to take 70-536 exam from 4 to 5 months now.  I am preparing it from MS training kit. After reading all the stuff on this post, I think I have to put much more harder effort!

P A Syed Ameen Abbasi wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-07-2009 4:42 AM

Hi!

I am planning to go for 70-536 exam 4 or 5 months time. I am preparing it with MS training kit. After reading this post I think I have to put lot of hard work!

sneha wrote re: Taking the MCTS Test 70-536 -- That Sucked....
on 11-10-2009 6:56 AM

I am planning to take up the exam in December end....1 nd half months to go. Having 2 years of experience in ASP.NET. Dont knw how much it can help!!! After going thru the site, its for sure tat therz no substitute for hardwork. Will prepare a study plan today and start studying. Thanks everybody for sharing your experiences.

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