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Arguments You’ll Almost Never Hear

Here's a bit of a cheeky question...

You know all those "conversations" us nerds have about scalability and performance where we endlessly debate about where to put business logic and whether scaling the database is easier than scaling the application servers? Well, how come we never end up talking about how to make arguably the most costly (in terms of both time and $$$) operation of our applications perform better?

The costly operation I'm talking about is the journey our markup makes from the web server to the browser. It's funny, because we'll architect fantastic applications, and then shove absolutely bloated junk markup across the vast, unreliable Internet without a second thought. That *** costs money too... (I'm talking about bandwidth). And it's code that's visible to the world.

Posted 06-06-2007 9:35 PM by Jeff Perrin
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PartialClass wrote re: Arguments You’ll Almost Never Hear
on 06-07-2007 7:42 AM

Programmers are not responsible for wat designer has done.

Usually, controls don't render as bad markup as u r talking abt.

Yeah , but VERY poorly designed site can make this happen

Antoine Valot wrote re: Arguments You’ll Almost Never Hear
on 06-08-2007 12:51 PM

PartialClass, I disagree. Most .NET controls render horrible, non-standards code, full of tables and spacers and other atrocities.

Heck, look at the source code of a sharepoint page! What a mess! And this is high-end commercial software!

expresso wrote re: Arguments You’ll Almost Never Hear
on 06-08-2007 2:10 PM

Personally, I can't stand bad mark-up.  I cannot stand upper case HTML (since not only is it not XMTML compliant for whatever future that contains, but also hard to read).  I cannot stand no indentation when possible of tables (if using tables and not pure DIVs).

Now, that goes to say if you do not have a graphic designer that does all the mark-up layout.  If you do, then obviously it's on them.  Otherwise I feel the quality fo the mark-up is just as important and should be just as organized hopefully as your code-behind.

expresso wrote re: Arguments You’ll Almost Never Hear
on 06-08-2007 2:11 PM

that was not XHTML compliant...I meant

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